How do you even separate NTR/cheating and other stuff when they can get mixed together like pic related? Why do Japanese mix them together in the same book like this?
Was there ever a trend of NTR artists switching to non-NTR like how we see vanilla/non-NTR artists start doing NTR? Is NTR popular in Japan compared to other genres?
Most importantly. how do you learn not to be bothered by NTR/cheating? Funnily enough, Korean NTR doesn't seem to do anything to me but Japanese NTR hits different.>>8185071 Cheating doesn't involve the man that is being cheated on or at least he is never aware of the matter. I don't think many netorare artist switch to vanilla because people rarely go from more extreme porn to less extreme porn. And yes, the fetish is pretty popular because the Japs have even more sad sacks of shit in their society. Filter the tags if you are bothered by it.First let's define what Netorare is. Netorare is essentially the "fetishization of having a loved one stolen away." And it comes in 4 general forms. Netorare classic, Netori, Netorase, and BSS. Netorare and Cheating, while they might appear synonymous can differ quite a lot. The key factor is that netorare isn't inherently tied to romantic relationships. Almost any type of relationship can experience netorare, while cheating is specifically for affairs. That's how Mom NTR can exist. Or Father-daughter NTR, brother-sister, etc. You aren't dating your family and normally you shouldn't care all that much about who they date so long as they're happy and healthy, but that leads me to my next point. Another key difference between netorare and cheating is that netorare focuses on the feelings of betrayal, loss, and other negative points while cheating does have to do that. The POV is either that of the cuck or woman, and the story really highlights the suffering, degradation, humiliation, and cruelty of what's happening. And the bulls are usually terrible people who use underhanded tricks or brute force to steal a woman away. All the same, cheating MIGHT do that. But really, things with the cheating tag will either treat the SO like an afterthought, minimize their presence, and generally have a less morbid tone. Sometimes the cheating is even framed as a positive, like women in loveless marriages meeting a guy who really cares for them and moving on. As for the other variations, on the surface they're functionally the same, but with subtle differences. BSS or "But I saw her first!" is basically netorare classic, but now the MC has no relationship with the woman, just unspoken romantic feelings. These stories tend to focus on pointing out how if the MC had made a move first, he could be the one fucking the girl, but he missed his chance. Netorase is basically netorare with consent from all parties. The cuck in question knows his woman is sleeping around and is okay 1/?>>8185524 With it, or actively encourages it. It's the traditional, ACTUAL definition of a cuckold. And then theres Netori, which is netorare from the perspective of the bull. While it's identical to netorare conceptually and a lot of the story beats and tropes are the same, the general tone of the story is inverted. While Netorare is all about creating a feeling of powerlessness, lacking control, or being unaware of the truth, netori is about wielding power, exerting control, and being the only one in the room who knows the truth. It's like night and day.
That all being said, my personal take. Cheating's fine. Doesn't really bother me. It's like, vanilla with sprinkles. Netorase I take on a case-by-case basis. Execution is key. Sometimes it's pretty hot. Other times not so much. Netorare and BSS both make me sick. I don't care how good the art, how intense the sex, or how pretty the heroine is, by the end, she's always some sociopathic cunt who I'd sooner glass than grope. Now in a hypocritical 180, I love netori. Being the one who steals is WAY hotter and so while I say I hate netorare, part of me also "gets it" in a way. Plus the vibe of the story, while still typically dark, is about triumph vs failure. That change in perspective does a lot.>>8185177 >Cheating doesn't involve the man that is being cheated on or at least he is never aware of the matter
Many NTR is like that though?>>8185612 NTR could be netorare, netorase or netori they are all NTR>>8185573 I'd agree that cheating, if done to avoid the netorare vibe as much as possible, is generally fine. This should be done by minimizing the presence of the relationship partner. The most can be mentioned is to establish that infidelity is at play. None of that calling the husband/bf while having sex bullshit.
Netorase recently will just devolve into netorare anyway but consensual cucking where the cuck is actually happy is generally fine. None of that cuck telling himself being cucked feels good while bawling his eyes out.
Netori is only fine if it's established that the cuck really deserves it. Otherwise, I will abhor it anyway. Changes in perspective doesn't really do anything here. You are just switching from the pov of a cuck to an absolute asshole.
People that can enjoy hardcore netorare though, is interesting to say the least. Aside from actual cuck, the ability to turn off empathy for fictional characters at will is impressive to me. Not that I can't turn it off myself in many cases, such as netorare doujin of anime/manga. Original netorare still hurts though.>>8185177 >Filter the tags if you are bothered by it Unfortunately, missing out on content is a bigger bother than all the bad tags. And yes, that's on me. So all I'm asking is for a better understanding of the genre so I can tolerate the fetish.
Also, Japan seems to not treat netorare and such as any different from other genres, considering they keep mixing in netorare with other stuff all the time. I seriously wonder if any japanese is bothered by NTR at all.>>8185071 >Most importantly. how do you learn not to be bothered by NTR/cheating? It's like asking someone into femdom or maledom how do they tolerate reading about being dominated, it's a weird question. Because it's arousing to their brain? I know somehow ntr is a meme nowadays, but it's just a fucking fetish like rape, incest, mind control, or whatever else... why search some esoteric explanation when the simplest is "it's hot to me". You can be into it, not into it, or hate it, in the end it's a fetish and that's it. Maybe if you like corruption you'd find it easier to approach by seeing it as a form of corruption (sex corruption and love corruption) ?>>8185071 >Was there ever a trend of NTR artists switching to non-NTR like how we see vanilla/non-NTR artists start doing NTR? Artists can draw whatever they like, some write pure love only, some have fun with rape then go back to pure love, it's the same with ntr. Some go sfw (774) while their nsfw is well known. I think it's healthy, keeps things varied.
>Is NTR popular in Japan compared to other genres? It is popular.>>8185656 You are right and yet I still can't help but think it's not that simple. Surely there are people that can read NTR, don't like it but don't also feel bad or mad about it? Some NTR do feel more hilarious than depressing to me but I think some artists try too hard to emphasize the pain and suffering. Are there some works that can put even NTR enjoyers off?
>>8185663 >Artists can draw whatever they like Of course they can. I was just wondering why it seems the trend is mostly one way. But yes, nanashi did go from extreme to mild and even ankoman can release vanilla doujin once in a while.>>8185688 >don't like it but don't also feel bad or mad about it? Plenty people just enjoy it, I see usually 4 types of people reading ntr (as in netorare, netori has less heat) : - the enjoyer, they think it's hot and that's it. - the one who likes the art and enjoy the sex and doesn't care about it being ntr or not, sex is sex. - the "complete meltdown in the comment", loud with """""psychology analysis""""" comments added sometime about people enjoying the fetish. I think it's more telling about them than anything. - the "not my thing", the majority of people actually imo.
If you can't read it without feeling bad, just avoid the stories with ntr, it's no big deal, there are thousands of stories out there.>>8185704 I wish I could just avoid the genre altogether. But as I said, missing out on the good stuff that will be blocked together with the NTR/cheating tags is worse than having to read NTR. I guess there are very few people like me so nobody can really help then.>>8185728 I guess you can enjoy the art without reading the story.>>8185649 Hi, I am the seemingly rare non-NTR loving Japanese person どうも初めまして
Don’t really get it either, I remember getting of to it when I was a teen (along with a bunch of other fucked up stuff) but nowadays I just go for vanilla and consensual free use stuff.>>8186589 How do you feel when they put netorare and vanilla in the same book?>>8186651 “Why the fuck would you ruin this?” Mostly
In games though it depends on if it’s skippable, if then I play normally, I usually play through games with a “guardian angel” perspective making sure the characters get their happy endings and oddly enough it feels way more satisfying knowing that I protected two young lovers from a bunch of assholes.>>8186684 What if it's a game and there are routes for both vanilla and NTR, would you still play it for vanilla route alone?>Strongly dislike Netorare doujins >Strongly enjoy Netorare JAVs Someone explain this to me. I think it's because a subconcious part of my brain knows that with real people, it's all just actors and that none of these people are in relationships. It also probably helps that I can't understand a word they're saying.i only hate BSS with `CF>>8185071 >Question is it still NTR if it's rape and blackmail?>>8187569 I think that's normal. Netorare JAV is clearly just actresses, it's very obvious that it's not real and just acting. I also don't mind netorare doujin of non-NTR series because it is clearly just a parody.
I hate original work netorare. Why do I hate them even though they are fiction too? I honestly don't know.
Non-hentai vanilla work that suddenly turns netorare one day because the author feels like being edgy some random day bothers me too but I guess that one is understandable. So I guess it depends on how "canon" the NTR is?