Democrats trying so secede from the union
Democrats once again are trying to secede from the union just like they tried to do when we took away their slaves
Someone really needs to put these fart huffers in line
https://www.newsweek.com/four-states-could-secede-join-canada-avoid-trump-says-democrat-1993528
Four States Could Secede From US and Join Canada to Avoid Trump—Democrat
Aprominent Democratic New York State Senator has floated the fanciful proposition that her state and its northeastern neighbors secede from the United States to join Canada to avoid President-elect Donald Trump's return to office.
Liz Krueger, who chairs the New York State Senate Finance Committee, argued that the Empire State, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, could all suffer under Trump's new administration.
Citing his proposed crackdown on immigration and promise of mass deportation, the Manhattan Democrat believes liberal and sanctuary states such as New York could be threatened with cuts in the amount of federal funding they receive, a move the incoming leader and his cabinet have suggested, should states oppose new policy measures.
This is not the first time the New York Democrat has offered up a radical and improbable plan to counter Trump's policies, suggesting in September, ahead of his election win, that the bloc of blue states should join Canada.
"I thought I would suggest to Canada that instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night without them noticing, which is pretty hard because there's a lot of us, that they should instead agree to let us be the southeast province, a new province of Canada.
"And I offered, even though I hadn't gotten agreement from other states yet, that I thought New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, would combine and be a great new province as the southeast province of Canada," Krueger said in an interview with news site City and State New York.>>1364889
Democrats trying to secede from the union caused quite a stir last time they tried it>>1364889
At least he pasted the article text so he's fine>>1364888
Seccession is warranted when the alternative is to be part of an authoritarian state (or possibly an Evangelical theocracy) run by a profoundly incompetent narcissist who built his empire on fraud and deception and got away with it by abusing the court system.>>1364894
Bye Felicia.>>1364894
A bit premature. If furnaces start going up in the camps, your citizens start disappearing, and deputized national guard are being sent into states, then is the time to do a funny. There's a chance that shit can happen, but it's not very likely.>>1364894
>Seccession is warranted when the alternative is to be part of an authoritarian state
That's pretty much exactly what Democrats said last time they tried to secede>>1364901
Why did all the former confederate states swap to being deep red while the yankees went democrat?>>1364902
Because the North are oppressors and the Dems are the party of oppression. They marched into the South and razed it for literally no reason. They couldn't let the South just do its own thing. The Dems were the party of slavery and oppression. The South just wanted to be free from the oppression of the liberal elite of the Dems. That's why we call it the war of yankee (democrat) aggression where I live.>>1364902
Only demotard shills bring up that talking point.>>1364904
Black people vote democrat for a good reason.>>1364903
>The Dems were the party of slavery and oppression
I'm sorry, which side was in favor of literal slavery again?>>1364906
The Democrats>>1364907
So the South, who wanted to keep slavery, wanted to be free of the Dems, who also wanted to keep slavery. The Dems then destroyed the South for no reason, because the South split off from the North due to wanting to keep slavery when the North, who would be the Dems, wanted to get rid of slavery, which they were actually in favor of.
You don't see a small problem in this logic anon?>>1364889
OP may be a faggot, but this is absolutely ridiculous. You cocksucking retards have upgraded from "If Trump wins, I'll leave the country!" to "If Trump wins, I'll leave and take the country with me!". As if you didn't learn your lesson with your little CHAZ experiment/trial run, where you faggots got to LARP as communists and practice executing unarmed minor minorities. You motherfuckers laugh about it when some redneck in the middle of Texas makes grumbling secession noises, but now you want to take away four states - which includes the largest city in the world - because you have TDS so fucking severe that it's not even funny anymore.
>DURR TRUMP IS GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY
>SO I'M GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY TO PROVE HOW HE'S GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY
Every fucking time.>>1364894
>Seccession is warranted when the alternative is to be part of an authoritarian state
Shut the fuck up.>>1364912
Fuck off chudson>>1364913
No fuck you, antifa-wannabe failure. I hope you get wasted by a 17 year old like last time.>>1364911
Good postThat which does not kill them, makes them develop weird coping mechanisms.
Democrats, of course.>>1364918
You reveal more about your mental illness every time you attack the strawmen in your head here.>>1364921
>>1364927
Sorry I can't hear either of you over the tears of the former business-owning minorities with stores that got molotov'd so you could own the police. Way to fight the power there comrade.>>1364928
It's been four years anon.
The irony is Rittenhouse ruined his life; not even from shooting those guys, but instead through trying to ride the hype you retards made for him. He was not equipped to be a public figure and it has destroyed his ability to gain any job that isn't being invited to speak for a minute at a conservative event, and even then they've stopped offering because he has zero charisma or ideals other than talking about a four-year old shooting. If he'd just treated it as a tragic incident, he could've faded into the background and gotten his life back. But instead he bought into his own hype and now he has nothing to go back to and nowhere forward to go.>>1364931
>It's been four years anon.
And you faggots are still trying to destroy the country because ORANGE MAN BAD!
>The irony is Rittenhouse ruined his life
By saving his life from the average democrats.
>not even from shooting those guys, but instead through trying to ride the hype you retards made for him.
In response to you faggots CONSTANTLY LYING ABOUT HIS CASE TO THIS DAY, trying to call him a nazi, incel, murderer, etc.
>and it has destroyed his ability to gain any job
He couldn't get a job fucking anywhere thanks to you faggots! If he were to work at a fucking Wendy's you cocksucking fucks would burn it down! He has to walk around with a bodyguard for the rest of his life because scum like you think you're entitled to murder him because he had the audacity to not die in Kenosha.
>If he'd just treated it as a tragic incident, he could've faded into the background and gotten his life back.
Wrong. You subhumans to this very day are talking about how 'he'll get what's coming to him' and 'karma's a bitch'. I have never seen a group of people so upset at a minor killing a pedophile in my life - but that's the democrat party for you in a nutshell.>>1364931
Well, coping like this won't bring back the jewish chomos he rightfully shot.>>1364932
Rittenhouse's own agent tried to give him a life as a conservative spokesperson. He failed, because Rittenhouse has no education, no marketable skills, and no work ethic. He is utterly unsuited to life as a public figure because he has nothing to offer beyond "Hey remember that time I shot two people?" and now has become convinced he needs nothing more.
I'm not blaming him for anything that went down before the trial ended. But after that, he shot himself in the foot time after time by trying to market himself as a new republican icon instead of just putting it all behind him. The reason people keep talking about him is because he keeps insisting on trying to be a public speaker despite having nothing to offer. If he just shut up and went back to everyday life, the vast majority of people would forget about him, even all but the most terminally online and obsessed leftists.
Kyle should've been treated like a dumb kid who wound up in a position where he had to kill two people to save himself, not a vigilante hero who goes to photo ops and speaks at events. But no; you retards insisted on treating him like the fucking Punisher. And now he's stuck in a rut where his image is forever associated with that and he's convinced himself he can stay afloat on it forever. Meanwhile his mother and sister got evicted from their house because he's too busy trying to build up his own brand to even lend a hand to them, and his own brand is non-existent beyond "remember that time I shot two people?". He can't distance himself from something that should've been regarded as a traumatic incident because he became convinced to make it his whole personality. He can't get a normal job because he's plastered "LOOK AT THAT TIME I SHOT PEOPLE" over every mention of his name, but he can't even survive as a conservative figure because that's all he has to offer with no political policy, charisma, or even achievements to stand on. It's fucking sad more than anything.>>1364937
>If he just shut up and went back to everyday life,
Which was never an option. This is what dems do; they destroy the lives of people that defend themselves from the mob they rile up. Remember Darren Wilson? The shooting of Michael Brown? Hands Up Don't Shoot?
To this very fucking day that man will never work as a cop again, even though he did nothing wrong. Him and his family have to remain in hiding for the rest of their lives because of people like you.
Now shall we get back to the subject of democrats leaving the union, or do we need more examples of innocent people having their lives shattered by democrats?>>1364940
I actually forgot Darren Wilson. A benefit of not going on fox news because it's your only source of income.
Also, Darren Wilson isn't going to work as a police officer again because he was a public official who, in the eyes of the public, failed his duty. Justified or not, you don't wind up with that much controversy and are able to stay employed in that industry. Police are supposed to make the public feel secure. Seeing the guy who pulled you over is responsible for the death of an unarmed teen, self defense or not, isn't going to help that.>>1364888
Texas literally put a secession referendum on their ballot this year.>>1364888
Canadian here. No fucking way we would let them join. Where I walk my dog in the morning we still have canons pointed in your direction from the last time. Americans made their bed, it's time to lay in it>>1364937
>melting down
Just stop already>>1364940
Good post>>1364944
>A benefit of not going on fox news because it's your only source of income.
Yeah okay faggot. Can't debunk a fucking thing I've said so far, so you're playing the 'durr getz all info from fawks' card like the stupid fucking retard you are. Please tell me where I was wrong at any point of our convo.
>because he was a public official who, in the eyes of the public, failed his duty.
How?
>you don't wind up with that much controversy
What controversy? Now watch everyone, this stupid faggot is going to say that Darren Wilson is a racist, or some equally retarded shit, because msnbc tried to do that - only when you look into it, they were trying to get him for using racial slurs in his reports WHEN HE WAS QUOTING LANGUAGE USED BY THE ACTUAL FUCKING SUSPECTS HE WAS INTERVIEWING (i.e. a witness saying dis nigga punched me) as proof that Darren is a white supremacist. OR he's going to pull some guilt-by-association bullshit where the police department had a bunch of complaints of racism so he must've done something similar (but can never provide an example). You're gonna do that shit. I got $5 on it.>>1364931
>Rittenhouse ruined his life;
He got like $22 million>>1364952
A police office is a public role. Even if cleared in a court of law, court of public opinion can still decide if you keep your job. No one wants to hire someone with that bad of a public reputation, even if it was resulting from a shooting he was cleared for legally. And Wilson definitely didn't help his case with the way the police handled the issue to protect him (contradicting each other's testimonies, leaving the body there for four hours, not taping the initial interview after the shooting itself) which made it so murky that even a complete legal exoneration could help his reputation.>>1364954
All that money and he couldn't be fucked to help his family avoid getting evicted?
You know what happens when you give a young dumbass a bunch of money and hype up his ego? It all goes down the shitter within a few years because he blows it on stupid shit.>>1364955
There's not a fucking thing in this world I could show you that would get you to agree that Darren did nothing wrong, so I'm gonna set that to the side for now. Fuck whether or not he should be a cop for a second.
Him and his family should not be in hiding in 2024 + 11 months.
That's the problem with you people. That's why neither Darren or Kyle can just 'move on with their lives' and get a regular job, because the second one democrat recognizes either of them they'll form a flash-mob to kill them and/or burn down whatever building they're in.>>1364954
>He got like $22 million
Source?>>1364959
Darren's family is not in-hiding. They went into private life and stayed out of headlines. The same thing Rittenhouse should be doing instead of going around doing speeches at conservative events.>>1364962
>Darren's family is not in-hiding.
Oh really faggot? Where are they then?>>1364963
Where the fuck are you?>>1364963
Where's yours? Just because you're staying out of public eye doesn't mean you're in hiding. Normal people don't make headlines.>>1364964
Your moms house.
>>1364965
>Just because you're staying out of public eye doesn't mean you're in hiding.
The last fucking info we got of this guy was that him - and his family - is in hiding. Show me where that's changed, you stupid fuck.
God I want to fucking stab you.>>1364967
Anon, not everyone goes around reporting all their activities to the news or on social media. It's been 10 years; they went back to normal private life>>1364969
>source: bruh just trust me>>1364970
anon they're not celebrities. What do you expect? "Oh on november 4th 2022 one of them went to a costco"
If anything this shows the media isn't anywhere near as obsessed with them as you're making them out to be.>>1364971
God, you people are pathetic. I can't wait until the Trump train starts its retribution tour.>>1364972
>how dare libs on social media cancel these people for their actions
>We should kill you for your political opinions and being annoying
Amazing consistency anon.>>1364973
lol
These aren't opposing opinions anon.>>1364973
>commit economic warfare against people for their political opinions
>acts surprised that people want divine retribution to drop on his head
Fucking>>1364973
Well, they see lefties as not even human, or animals for that fact, but pests, and you know what you do with pests. You can respect something that's dangerous, you can't respect a pest.>>1364974
>>1364975
>>1364976
>Why yes, I am mentally ill
Every time.>>1364973
>how dare libs on social media cancel these people for their actions
These completely justified, logical, actions of NOT WANTING TO DIE. Holy fuck.>>1364976
I wonder what they intend to do about family that are of the wrong political persuasion. There's a pretty even divide in this country, at least among voters, so chances are, they know at least one person who leans opposite.>>1364981
There was a guy in another thread saying that he was taking names of all the leftists he knew of in his family to hand over to Trump if he starts the purge. That's how they're dealing with it.>>1364982
They're either gonna be so disappointed when Trump doesn't do this or shocked if he does and they wind up on the same list of dissidents and subjected to the same shit.>>1364981
lol if you vote dem you arent family to me. told my former brother i never want to see him or spawn ever again when i saw his pro sanders posts. wont go to thanksgiving now cause the parents still drag him over. fuckem.>>1364983
>implying
Trump is in the same boat of the rest of us. Either he starts deporting democrats or he goes to jail, unironically, because that's the standard that has been set by retards like Biden and Obama.
You can't sit there, take away my right to speak, threaten to jail me for questioning elections, force me to take experimental medical experiments and expect this situation to continue to be political. This is about survival, now. You retards did this.>>1364983
Trump definitely wants to, but he would have so much working against him, even with some convenient crisis to take advantage of (and there will probably be some act of terrorism or city burning). You gotta overcome the senate, the military and bureaucracy, the media, then there's the state governments, and you have to do it relatively fast. While I could see the house voting to give him temporary absolute powers to clean up the country, I can't see the Senate giving up that power, even with intense pressure.
>>1364985
>You retards did this.
It's funny, I always see this line repeated. It's like you don't have agency. You know who does have agency: Trump.>>1364985
Anon you're very clearly still speaking. Stop having a fucking tantrum because you either didn't want to have a shot or decided to storm the capitol building and faced consequences for it.>>1364985
Where would you deport 75 million people? The logistics of that are insane.>>1364988
I want to deport a 150 million, and it can be done.>>1364989
But where would you send them?>>1364988
The same way the nazis deported the jews, and the communists deported the kulaks.
>>1364987
>Stop having a fucking tantrum because you either didn't want to have a shot
I ignored the shot. My family didn't.
Three of relatives now have constant migraines/pains, another suffered a transient ischemic attack. A close friend of mine had a heart attack, veered off the road, hit a tree. Doc said it was the vaccine.
The government and the media also unironically suggested taking our kids away because we refused medical experimentation. They also censored us because we were 'spreading disinformation' and mocked us for three years.
I pray every day that Trump becomes the dictator you feared he would become.>>1364991
NTA, send them to New England right before it joins Canada.>>1364992
Would you say that your family deserved it.?Like >>1364984 said, if they're libs they aren't family.democrats lost>>1364992
Most of the people I knew who vaxxed up didn't have these issues. The one family member who died during the pandemic was my grandad, who refused to vax. Maybe you just got weak genes running in your family or something.>>1364992
>Three of relatives now have constant migraines/pains, another suffered a transient ischemic attack. A close friend of mine had a heart attack, veered off the road, hit a tree.
Sure anon. Sure.
Even if you're not making this up, if all three of your relatives got the exact same type of issue it might just be genetic you fucking retard.
>Doc said it was the vaccine.
Absolutely fucking hilarious.
>"Yeah anon, as we can tell from this fatal car crash, he obviously had a vaccine induced heart attack first. Why can I tell it was from the vaccine? Well, did he have the vaccine first? Well there. Probably that. Ignore the fact literally no doctor on this earth can attribute a heart attack to anything other than a blockage of the heart valve, which itself can have so many causes that determining the cause of that blockage is more about reducing risk behaviors instead of direct attribution.">>1364997
You are a fucking sheep who they are trying to kill with their poison. Don't worry though, cause Trump is coming for you.>>1364999
Why is step one of any global Jewish conspiracy to kill the sheeple? The sheeple are the ones who're blindly following them already. They're the ones who you could whip into a frenzy against the "enemy" and who'd be digging the ditches if there was a mass death. You kill the sheeple, and what are you left with? A bunch of free minded anti-government contrarians types. Nah, if there was a plan to cull the population, the sheeple would be on the second or third rung of the genocide ladder.>>1365000
There's been plenty of IRL conspiracies where everyone is a retard and working against one another because they don't know what the fuck is going on. This leads to a lot of contradictory actions and eventual exposure.>>1364998
>Absolutely fucking hilarious.
Trust the experts though, right?
See, what you don't seem to grasp is that you and your ilk managed to convince innocent people to suffer for no reason other than your own personal satisfaction. You were afraid of a pandemic, so people like you did all you could to convince everybody around you to give up their rights, including censoring dissenting voices. And those you didn't manage to convince, you threatened.
You're persona non grata and you don't even realize it yet.>>1365002
Anon literally every bit of "suffering" you've experienced is people not wanting to associate with you because of your actions and your decisions. The only exceptions have been when your actions actually have an effect on public health, at which point you started accusing a vaccine of things it PHYSICALLY CANNOT DO because some facebook post scared you out of getting a shot.>>1365002
>so people like you did all you could to convince everybody around you to give up their rights, including censoring dissenting voices.
You don't have the right to run around naked in public. You can't shoot somebody just because you don't like his face. Back during the world wars and civil war, goods were rationed, and a draft was instituted. Rights are not absolute, especially if they negatively impact the health of the community.
If you guys just quarantined yourselves to your own isolated groups, it'd be fine. It's a private issue. If you guys go out into the wider community and start coughing on people who don't want to be coughed on, then it becomes a community issue. It's not just your body, it's everyone else around you as well.>>1365002
>You're persona non grata and you don't even realize it yet.
Acshually, 2/3rds of Americans still say the benefits of the covid vaccine outweighed its risks, despite the kung flu vax being less trusted overall than other vaccines.
>The big picture: The findings from the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center are further evidence of how intense backlash to the government's at times muddled COVID response eroded trust in public health, jeopardizing preparedness efforts to address future crises.
>The proliferation of vaccine misinformation on social media has also outpaced efforts to counter it, Columbia University researchers found earlier this year.
>What they found: 28% of respondents to Annenberg's survey incorrectly believe that COVID-19 vaccines have been responsible for thousands of deaths, up from 22% in June 2021. The percentage who know this is false declined to 55% from 66%.
>22% believe the false idea that it's safer to get a COVID infection than to get the vaccine, up from 10% in April 2021, months after the shots were rolled out.
>The percent of those incorrectly believing that the COVID-19 vaccine changes people's DNA nearly doubled to 15% from 8% in April 2021.
>Yes, but: Two-thirds of Americans still say the benefits of taking COVID-19 vaccines outweigh the risks. But that's a lower percentage than those who said the same for the mpox vaccine (70%), RSV shots for adults 60 and older (74% when asked in October 2023), and the childhood measles, mumps, rubella vaccine (89% in August 2023).
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/29/more-americans-embrace-vaccine-misinformation>>1365005
>2024
>still citing """"polls""""
You sheep are always such a riot. I'd be laughing if I wasn't so angry and disgusted by you.
>>1365004
Fuck community, fuck society. All I hear is bleeting. You're truly weak. Only decadent times can breed weakness like you. A true pillar of strength casts off the chain of others' and subjugates them to his will. He doesn't give a fuck about the feelings of others or community.>>1365006
My favorite thing about the conservatives on here is how they always start to sound like Senator Armstrong after a few posts.>>1365006
you know anon the fact you consider a 78 year old millionaire who's literally spent his entire life with a silver spoon in his mouth a "true pillar of strength" says a lot more about you than anything.
Also if he doesn't give a fuck about the feelings of others or community, why the hell should he care about you?>>1364911
i hope new england and the west coast both secede since theyre major economic hubs in america>>1365011
When did the "liberals" shift to caring about the economy? It's been a very fucking weird past few years.>>1365011
>mfw California is the largest importer of electricity out of all 50 states, mostly from Arizona and Utah
Oh ho ho I stay wishing a motherfucker would. I can't fucking wait to cut off power to Los Angeles and shut down the I-10W. Nice economy you got there, too bad it depends on electricity to exist. But don't worry, I'm sure that wind farm you paid so much money for will be enough LMAO>>1365008
Bernie is 82.>>1365015
I never know what people actually mean when they say liberals, but as a leftist progressive we have always cared about the economy, just not caring about it overtop other important things.>>1365020
I mean modern liberals, totalitarian libertines who also go by the name "progressives" as if they seek any progress in any aspect.>>1365022
So what would your term be for someone who works towards what they see as progress, in terms of better protecting the environment, shrinking the wealth gap and letting gay or trans people be themselves without being punished for it?>>1365025
A colossal double faggot.
Fag-driven, fag-centric politics has ended.>>1364888
Kinda crazy how accurate that op pic is. I started seeing so many posts calling Vance/republicans "weird" out of nowhere, and then suddenly post election they all stopped.
Hard to tell if it was the result of NPCs like in the image, or just plain old paid shills and/or bots>>1365030
its school and lack of faith. there is a direct link to so called education level and not being religious and not voting for trump. this is why public education should be eliminated college should be curtailed and church made mandatory. the smartest people in my experience have always been the ones who drop out of school such as myself.>>1365031
Stupid shit post, libshit>>1365033
colleges are indoctrination centers for leftist thought. soience has been taken over by them which is why you have the climate conspiracy and vax poison being pushed. if you do not see it then you are the libtard.>>1365035
>>1365031
Nobody's believing this>>1365036
we have a fucking huge issue with schooling in this country. open your eyes. i dont have kids but i know of neighbors who have taken their childs out of school to be homeschooled because they do not stand the leftist teaching.>>1365029
And see to me, that you're fine and dandy with a handful of corporate billionaires having most of the world's wealth controlling everything and fucking up the planet for the rest of us, while wanting them to police people's private lives, and who they are allowed to love makes ypu a subhuman bootlicking fascist.>>1365006
HAHAHA!!!
Well spoken fellow Master Morality practicing Ubermensch!!!
Let's go commit a mass shooting at a daycare center and kidnap some cunny sex slaves!!!>>1364945
They actually do that every week.>>1365003
>The only exceptions have been when your actions actually have an effect on public health
You didn't know whether or not the vaccine prevented transmission. And we know this, now, because even the """experts""" admitted that it didn't, despite previous claims to the contrary.
This isn't shitposting, by the way. Half of my family is now turbofucked with chronic illnesses because democrats used peer pressure and threats to convince them to take an experimental medical treatment.
For what it's worth, I hope the cancer kills you quickly and with minimal pain.>>1365044
So the solution then is to try to ignore the virus and just let it run its course?>>1365045
Yes. That's what we've done for thousands of years before the invention of """"vaccines"""". The quicker everyone catches it, the quicker it will be over. Natural immunity is the only thing that works. Vaccines at best are a placebo but usually just fucking poison. The science industry is lying to you and reaping profits from so-called medicine and procedures that don't fix anything and in fact hurts you.>>1365044
No vaccine stops you from catching a disease. What they do is make your body better prepared to fight it, which vastly reduces the viral load. In the case of many vaccines, this is the to point where you don't even get symptoms despite technically being sick. Imagine it like this: infection is a war. You can either equip your body with the tools and training to fight it off (vaccines), or let your body research and develop those on its own (natural immunity). In the second case, things can get much hairier, especially if your body is already crippled in some way (comorbidities).
While people do gloss over the deleterious side effects of vaccines, broadly speaking, the risks and inconvenience of getting really sick usually greatly outweigh the risks of harm from the vaccine. But that's true of all medical treatments. The traditional treatment for cancer is literally nuking you and hoping it kills the cancer faster than it kills you.
If you want to talk anecdotally, most people I know got vaccinated and have had no apparent issues like your family does. I do know of people who got seriously fucked up or died from covid before the vaccines were rolled out. My grandad and research advisor both died from it, and I think the coff brain-damaged my brother.>>1365050
>research advisor
fcuk you college boy. you are worse than useless you are the feces that is killing society.>>1365050
>the risks and inconvenience of getting really sick usually greatly outweigh the risks of harm from the vaccine
Except there was almost no danger in regards to THAT vaccine for individuals under 60 years of age.
It was a flu. It wasn't small pox, or shingles. It was a fucking flu for everyone but old people.
Despite all the data saying that this was the case, the vaccine was forced upon people who have no chance of dying from the flu. The vaccine provably damaged people that had no relevant need to take it. That's the biggest problem with THAT vaccine.>>1365052
Covid was the worse fucking fever I've ever had. I didn't go to the hospital, even when my oxygen levels were borderline. I had diarrhea for a month afterwards. For the next year, my head was muddled, and I had difficulty focusing and remembering, to the point that it was difficult for me to complete sentences. It was like everything was hazy. If you're young, you'll likely survive it, but long covid wasn't a joke. Even if your covid is on the mild side, you're likely to give it to someone else who can't handle it.>>1365054
Stupid ass bullshit poster.
>I both got the vaccine and had really bad CONVID!!!!
WTF? Interesting argument, not convincing though.>>1365052
The body purpose for covid and flu is the same.
The only difference is the diagnose and the treatment. Especially isolation which will make upgrade every symptom for any so called disease.
This will effect the weaker more and especially the old which people wanted to fend for themselves because a scary "virus"As a proud Canadian, I welcome the jews AND Chinese and Indians of NY. The blacks AND hispanics can go somewhere else. If our new Jewish class need hired help, I can do yardcwork and my wife housework>>1365054
This is complete bullshit peddled by a leftist vaccine shillbot. Covid was a fucking nothing virus. It's just the flu, and like the flu, it all went away when the summer came, exactly like Trump said it would.>>1365055
I caught it before there was a vaccine.>>1365061
Yeah summer around two years later. After killing thousands of people and crippling who knows how many more.>>1365063
Still calling bullshit. Shills like you will be one of the first on Trump's lists.>>1365064
All from the vaccines.>>1365066
We have literal statistics comparing the deaths of vaccinated against unvaccinated.>>1365067
Hey, those statistics aren't real. But my anecdotes about people who got the vaccine and then died of a heart attack 2-3 years later is obviously more accurate.>>1365067
From the lie millers you call scientists, right? Stats are lies. If you can't see what is obviously in front of your face, then you are a special breed of retard.>>1365068
>Conservatives are more likely to see empirical (e.g., scientific) and experiential (e.g., anecdotal) perspectives as more equal in legitimacy. Liberals think empirical evidence is better at approximating reality, conservatives are more likely to say that both research and anecdotes are legitimate.
>Political conservatives in the United States see scientific evidence and personal experience as closer in legitimacy than liberals, according to new research published in the journal Political Psychology. The findings provide evidence that conservatives and liberals tend to evaluate sources of knowledge differently, even in regard to non-political issues.
>“Understanding how and why people differ in how they figure out what’s real and what’s not, and why there seems to be a divide there based on political ideology, is in my mind the major question of our time as far as social scientists are concerned,” said study author Randy B. Stein, an assistant professor of marketing at Cal Poly Pomona.
>“One of the inspirations for the research was the tendency for conservative news outlets to want to represent ‘both sides’ of climate science (meaning, the actual science and the deniers) as equally legitimate. That’s one of the things that lead some social scientists to suggest that conservatives are more anti-science or anti-empiricism than liberals.”
>“But there’s always been a competing view that maybe both liberals and conservatives are just making the most convenient arguments for them — e.g., conservatives don’t like climate science not because they’re anti-science per se, but because they don’t like the implications of climate science in general.”
-https://www.psypost.org/conservatives-see-scientific-and-nonscientific-viewpoints-as-closer-in-legitimacy-study-finds/>>1365068
>>1365069
Like fucking clockwork.>>1365071
This was a pretty bad study though. They weren't testing people's reaction to empirical evidence they were testing reactions to authority figures. A scientist is not the same as science. The sentiment is about right though. Trust the science, right?>>1365068
> But my anecdotes about people who got the vaccine and then died of a heart attack 2-3 years later is obviously more accurate.
I'm >>1364992
From what the doctor told us, they said that anybody who died from heart issues within a week or two after receiving the vaccine was being counted as having an adverse reaction.
I don't know why they decided to attribute the vaccine to her death. My best guess is that they were seeing an upward trend of heart attacks during or shortly after receiving the vaccine.>>1364992
>The same way the nazis deported the jews, and the communists deported the kulaks.
Well, at least you're honest about it. I'm so tired of these guys going on TV and teeheeing around the issue of how. Even Fuentez won't just come out and say it.Trump's health expert, RFK, said there is "no vaccine that is safe and effective." As the libtards say, listen to the experts.>>1365077
I used to be pro-vax, so I bought into the narrative that RFK was a quack. Then I listened to him and Trump for HOURS. I thought, how can two people who are so smart and successful be so wrong about this? I now understand where they're coming from. Why weren't we exploring the effects of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and diluted bleach on covid? This all points to a massive conspiracy by scientists and pharma. I've come to realize that Trump and FDR are dead on about eliminating the FDA and CDC, eliminating the quack science coming out of universities, and canceling the pharma industry.>>1365077
>Trump's health expert
An official and an expert are not the same thing.>>1365078
No one suggested diluted bleach.
And I'm pretty sure that hydroxychloroquine was later found to be effective, despite the odd rumblings of the vaccine defense squad on the Internet (paid for by the UN and proliferated on Reddit with an endless supply of canned talking points). Least organic shit I've ever seen.>>1365081
Hmm, what's the difference?>>1365076
You aren't taking US territory with you, anon. The best I can offer is pay you to leave to Canada.>>1365083
having a degree makes you less good at jobs in my opinion. i wouldnt trust a graduate as far as you could throw them. they need to get more so called non experts managing this shit. get some salt of the earth from small town to run the department of science or something. they live in the real world unlike those dumb eggheads.>>1365084
But we're probably conquering Canada and Mexico. If they won't trade with us on our terms, we'll just have to take what they have.>>1365086
Nobody wants Canada. Not even the canadians want Canada. But the Yukon is majestic. Plenty of space for communal gardens and opportunities for urban development.>>1365085
I'd laugh at your vote, but modern teaching is just about teaching student to vomit back information.
Ultimately a degree is simply an appointment, such as an official would receive.
Additionally "trust experts" doesn't work on an untested vaccine. No one is an expert in that field.>>1365085
If salt of the earth types could manage jack shit, they would.>>1365083
>Hmm, what's the difference?
Biden is the commander in chief. He has zero military knowledge/experience. You would not expect anyone to have confidence in him giving direct instructions about how to prosecute a military endeavor.
An official is someone in charge. An expert is someone that knows what they are doing.>>1365090
if the libturd eleits let them maybe they would>>1365091
>An expert is someone that knows what they are doing.
Excellent. So who was the expert on the future negative effects of the untested COVID vaccine, a literal unknown at the time?>>1365093
Additional question: how did we end up in a situation where people with degrees were not experts when they said the vaccine was causing myocarditis and were counter with "trust the experts!!!" when these people tried to speak out?>>1365093
once you start digging all vaccines are bad>>1365092
You don't need a liberal elite's permission to manage a business or redneck government. There's a reason coal mine owners get elected and not coal miners.
>>1365093
>So who was the expert on the future negative effects of the untested COVID vaccine, a literal unknown at the time?
What unknown negative effects have arisen? Every one I'm aware of was on the list of possible side effects for the vaccines. Dipshits like you just need to listen to your doctor and shut the fuck up. You literally pay them to know more about your health than you do.>>1365096
>just trust the soience>>1365097
That or stop seeing a doctor. Either will solve our problem.Oh, and one more, considering that COVID killed almost no one under the age of 50, yet vaxfascists were pushing it on kids as young as 9 years old, who had a near zero mortality, how can you say the vaccine did more harm than good for this group when they would have lived, and lived without myocarditis if they hadn't taken the vax?
One would think the experts would update the recommendation as the numbers came in to strongly suggest that anyone 50+ get the vaccine like with the flu shot. However, that happen. Why?>>1365096
>What unknown negative effects have arisen?
Myocarditis. And some believe some cases of "long COVID" are vaccine related as well.>>1365094
You can have a degree and not be an expert in the that particular area of the research. Every Masters or PhD has a specialization. For instance, in physics, a material scientist may know in broad strokes what an astrophysics gets up (theory like spectroscopy is transferable) but wouldn't know enough to be an expert in it. Second, experts make all sorts of claims, even ones backed up with experimental results, but unless it's peer-reviewed and then independently verified, it's treated as just conjecture, especially if it goes against what everyone else is getting (the consensus). Perhaps the experimental procedures or equipment was flawed. Perhaps the scientist's conclusion was incorrect. More often than we'd like, that is the case (why I don't get excited over novel phenomena unless another lab has replicated the results). There are cases where the consensus and peer-review are flawed, but statistically, it's far less likely than the individual scientist or lab being at fault.>>1365100
>My evidence for this is some facebook posts
Covid can also cause Myocarditis dumbass. If there's an increased rate, it's because of that.>>1365101
Thanks for the QRD, queer.
>Muh peer-review
That simply means a consensus in which there's nothing specifically scientific about agreement.
Why do we keep hearing the the term peer-review like it's supposed to carry some weight to it?
Science is about experimentation, data and results. Data was ignored. Wild claims were made. The "Trust Science!!!" horseshit was the least scientific shit ever.>>1365102
So Mr. Vaccinate doesn't know that the vaccine can cause myocarditis at a rate substantially higher than the mortality rate of COVID in people under 50?
Interesting. Myocarditis and Pericarditis are known side effects of the COVID vaccine.
This was known and suppressed and is the specific incident I've been speaking about. If you aren't aware of it, don't reply to me, faggot.>>1365103
Off the top of my head, several papers were published with claims of a novel high temperature superconducting material (such LK-99 and Red Matter). One of the papers, by Ranga Dias, passed peer review in a very prestigious journal. It's not actually that difficult to get past peer review, by the way, so long as your arguments are sound and your grasps of the basics solid.
After about a year of attempts to replicate Dias's results, it was found that he had massaged/fabricated data and committed massive scientific misconduct. That's why consensus is important in science. Again, I could make the claim that vaping is actually good for your health, run an experiment that proves my point, even publish it, but until other labs do the same, it doesn't mean much.>>1365105
If you're worried about myocarditis, rawdogging covid has a much higher chance of developing that (and other ailments) than the vax. It's something like 5-10 per 100000 young adults get mild myocarditis, and that usually resolves itself on its own. With any medicine, from the off the shelf stuff you buy at Walgreens all the way up to the specialized stuff found only in hospitals, there is a risk of a bad reaction or interaction, but that risk is still significantly less than the risk of the disease itself.
Additionally, these vaccines have passed health standards around the world and have been used everywhere. Do you think other countries, some of which are antagonistic to us, are all in cahoots to funnel money into our big pharma?>>1365101
why shoudl we believe you. you sound like a college illiterate and already have their tendrils in your brain. you are exactly the types who we dont want managing government or resarch.>>1365106
>>1365107
With every word you say you just prove your a blind retard. Your why I support Trump becoming a dictator if that's what he needs to do to shut your ilk up.>>1365109
>YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG. GOD I JUST WISH TRUMP WOULD KILL EVERYONE WHO CHALLENGES MY BELIEFS
Absolutely pathetic.>>1365106
>That's why consensus is important in science.
That's the problem. Science is the study of the natural world. It's not determined by consensus.
Three years ago the consensus was that the vaccine didn't cause myocarditis, and that any claims of such a thing were considered a conspiracy theory. Now it's a common adverse reaction, which, coincidentally, has been conflated with catching COVID itself.
Now we're seeing a resurgence of colon cancers. But every "expert" wants to debunk such claims, because to acknowledge such a thing would mean that a good percentage of the vaccinated will be dead in a decade or so.>>1365112
Gastric cancer, colorectal cancer, and distant-stage breast cancer in younger people (read below 50) had been increasing before COVID. Between 1975 and 2015, cancer rates for women aged 25-39 went up by 1.15% every year, and 0.46% for men: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6686848/
All to say, the more likely culprits are factors which were introduced or got worse over that time period. Personally, my money is on microplastics in the food and water supply.>>1365113
>posting an nih link
Just peddling government lies. Also convenient how your study ends before the vax.>>1364946
As a proud Canadian, I welcome the jews AND Chinese and Indians of NY. The blacks AND hispanics can go somewhere else. If our new Jewish class need hired help, I can do yardcwork and my wife housework>>1364888
no one in canada wants your fucking trash gtfo. Americans have turned toronto into a shitfest we don't want more of you retards over here>>1365020
>but as a leftist progressive we have always cared about the economy
No all you've ever done is bitch about how life isn't fair and the rich should give all their money to the poor. Which is why every economic policy you faggots try to put in place ends up an abysmal failure. Protip: trying to copy/paste socialist programs from your favorite European nation full of homosexuals does not work in the US.>>1365113
>It's not actually that difficult to get past peer review, by the way, so long as your arguments are sound and your grasps of the basics solid.
And your thesis doesn't fly in the face of "acceptable" science, poisoning the well for any future funding.
https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/a-systematic-review-of-autopsy-findings-in-deaths-after-covid-19-vaccination/>>1365020
leftist progressives are performative selfish assholes that have never done anything that affects them negatively. You preach about open borders all the while hiding in a state far away from the immigration crisis. You screech about racism while being some white middle-class loser whose born into riches and just uses that to self-aggrandize and make yourself feel better.
Fuck you everytime i see someone from the us perish if its from a libshit state It's a good thing for the world. you are human garbage>>1365118
funny thing is those losers are saying that all the while being born into wealth and luxury. They're saying the working class should give more to the poor while these losers won't even give a cent. Fuck leftists pieces of shit.
Just look at how little the average libshit propaganda reporter who screeches about class issues donates to charities, nothing. all the while making millions a year working once a week in a job they got into off sheer nepotism and connections.>>1365124
Those of us in the real world practice tough love. If you die poor and sick, you deserved it. You are responsible only for yourself. You need to learn how to help yourself and should suffer the consequences if you're a retard. The government shouldn't be there to pick up the slack. Like libertarians say, altruism, whether genuine or fake, is the root of all evil, and greed is good.
>>1365126
Charities are shit. In my state, Paxton has been going after the church for running homeless shelters. These shelters become ground zero for all sorts of drug use and crimes. If you ask me, we should just put all the homeless into open air prisons in the desert.>>1365128
You have a deeply unserious ideology and should not be taken seriously in any context.>>1365128
>Those of us in the real world practice tough love. If you die poor and sick, you deserved it.
funny how you say that when you're probably a born middle-class rich guy whose never had to do any real work. Maybe you should just die and get mugged problem will solve itself. You don't deserve more safety or security just for being born rich if you think you do well don't be surprised when people celebrate you getting mugged and shanked>>1365133
>funny how you say that when you're probably a born middle-class rich guy whose never had to do any real work.
NTA, but agree with him. Loving the 'you got soft hands' meme, but for the record:
>grew up lower-middle class at best
>raised by a single mom who worked as a cop to raise three kids by herself
>living in shitty apartments full of gang-bangers
>in Illinois back when it was the strictest state for gun laws (lol which didn't do shit for all the shootings I've seen and heard)
>moved out at 17, living in my car while working minimum wage
>joined the military right out of high school
>got out, lived off GI Bill for a while until landing a stable job
>gets lectured about "never had to do any real work" by some leftist faggot who has never left the suburbs>>1365134
you're defending a retard who lives in california whose talked about how great the leftist progressives are>>1365020
while simultanously talking about destroying homeless shelters to protect himself.
Fuck off you're as bad as he is and you're now complicit>>1365134
By anon's own logic having to join the military to support yourself is being weak. You should've been able to pull yourself up without relying on government payouts.>>1365134
>You are responsible only for yourself. You need to learn how to help yourself and should suffer the consequences if you're a retard. The government shouldn't be there to pick up the slack.>>1365128
>GI Bill
maybe you should read more up the chain instead of the last comment.>>1365134
Good post>>1365136
You'd have a point if the military wasn't a job. Where people work. Big difference between working 18 hours a day in Iraq vs. Shaniquana getting a paycheck to sit on a couch all day texting with her eight kids.
>>1365137
Maybe you should stop being retarded? The GI Bill isn't just some government handout. It's a signed contract that you have to pay into and meet conditions to get. You have to pay into it, (with your less than minimum wage pay) for two years, then complete your time without getting into trouble.
Both of you are fucking morons pushing the "HURR MILITARY = WELFARE QUEENS" meme, because neither of you know shit about it. It's very simple: I work, I get paid.>>1365142
it's a bill to give government benefits to serviceman aka GOVERNMENT benefits. you're a retard and complicit retard.>>1365142
>retard doesn't understand what the word "bill" means.
No one said military=welfare queens you fucking imbred retard. god you're fucking stupid. But you are defending middle/upper class who want to destroy the economy and homeless shelters for their benefit, so you're the same as them>>1365143
EARNED benefits, you stupid fuck. Here let me break this down a simple as I can.
>Company X has a job, I go to apply
>the company has an offer:
>If I do Y, and meet conditions A, B, and C the entire time, I get Z
>I sign the contract and do Y (while meeting conditions A,B,C). I get Z, per the contractual agreement.
>jealous faggots who can't into basic logic call this a handout>>1365144
>No one said military=welfare queens you fucking imbred retard.
No you're just making the same dogshit arguments I've heard a million times already.>>1365144
>>1365143
Furthermore, I love how both of you cocksuckers are hyper-focused on the GI Bill, ignoring every fucking thing else I posted about so you can deflect away from how both of you are libtarded faggots living in a gated suburb 500 miles away from the nearest African American, just so you can whine about how rich people exist in society and we need more money for democrat programs that make everything worse every single time.>>1365145
government backed benefits you fucking retard god you're stupid.
>>1365147
No you're the fucking retard whose defending a californian libshit whose saying government benefits is for retards and that homeless shelters should be dismantled to protect him.
Fuck you you fucking democrat shitlord.>>1365148
>government backed benefits you fucking retard
PAID INTO you fucking retard. As in my money went into it. Holy shit.
>whose saying government benefits is for retards and that homeless shelters should be dismantled
Yeah, and?
>defending a californian libshit
First time meeting a libshit that wanted less government spending.>>1365149
>less government spending on things that doesn't matter to them
sounds about right retard god you're pathetic.
>>government backed benefits you fucking retard
PAID INTO you fucking retard. As in my money went into it. Holy shit.
did going into the military give you fucking brain damage you fucking retard. bloody hell.>>1365150
>bloody hell.
Dumbass limey (or larping as a eurofag, either way too gay to take seriously) who doesn't know shit about anything, let alone how contracts work.>>1365162
dumbass american pissbaby with brain damage.>>1365166
>Dumbass eurocunt that can't refute anything I said about the GI bill because he doesn't know how it works.>>1365167
>braindamaged american retard who thinks thing with the term bill init isn't a government subsidy or program.>>1364889
Fuck off you imbecile moron.>>1365011
if they secede they will be invaded because they won't be shit militarily anymore.>shitholes full of illegals want to secede
based>>1365011
Pretty much what the southern states said of themselves before they fucked around and found out>>1365016
The funny thing about CA and electricity, it literally defines the progressive democrat strategy of lying to people about progress.
They claim to be one of the top clean energy producers, as someone who lived there they would blow their own horn about how such a large percentage of the energy they produced was clean energy.
What they never told people, was that was because they imported most of their electricity from other states (although I thought it was Arizona and Nevada)...
They shut down a few of their non-clean energy sources operating in state and then replaced it with dirty energy generated in another state, and used that to artificially inflate their own clean energy numbers because they produced now more clean energy vs unclean energy, and just let someone else produce the unclean energy>>1365205
How do you get to be this misinformed?>>1365207
In case your bot algos can't read, i lived in California you dipshit. I saw it first hand.>>1365212
Did you graduate from high school?
>>1365214
I remember when this board used to be about mainstream news.>>1365218
>Did you graduate from high school
Yes. Unlike many native Californians, I am literate, I have graduated HS and I have a graduate degree.
Just being literate is uncommon in Cali>>1365207
>>1365214
He's absolutely right and both of you are incorrect contradictory faggots.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=38912
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46156
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/California-Is-The-Top-US-Net-Importer-Of-Electricity.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_California
Yeah say something now you smug bitches.>>1365207
>>1365214
>>1365218
how to tell people you're a sub human democrat npc lmao.>>1364888
As a Western New Yorker I can't wait to succeed from downstate New York.>>1365282
You aren't going to be able to talk sense into these koolaid retards who have never even visited California and think it's still clean and safe like it was when republicans ruled the state.>>1364889
Which is kinda weird given that they won the presidency. They can't just be happy on their own.>>1365793
Op is happy. Democrats are visibly shaken as they try yet again to secede.>>1364906
originally both. slavery was written into the constitution. there were northern states that had slavery when the war broke out. the north was opposed to the expansion of slavery into new states. this was supposed to be resolved by the Mason Dixon line but the US reneged with the Kansas Missouri bullshit.>>1364894
wrong. It is unlawful for any state to secede from the union. Lincoln made this VERY clear and punished the traitors and that punishment continues to this day. The south has been kept in tight check since 1865 through economics to ensure those states will never be able to attempt such a treasonous act ever again.>>1364910
The Southern Democrats were the party that favored slavery. The parties did a flip after the 1860 US Civil War during the Reconstruction Era. Lincoln was a Republican president. The northern states sent "carpet baggers" into the south to try to profit from these efforts by running for local and state offices, which pissed off the locals who felt that the Federal Gov was trying to keep the South from economic freedom due to distrust of the types of candidates that held the most power in the south (ex slave owning wealthy whites)>>1365039
>subhuman bootlicking fascist.
BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ>>1365054
>Lies
No such thing as "long covid". That was just an excuse people who didn't want to go back to work used to get more unpaid sick leave.>>1365064
>More Libshit Lies.
No such thing as "covid". It was a SEASONAL FLU, stupid.>>1365067
>peer reviewed bullshit
the stats are cherry picked and not accurate. Try again. Now provide proof libshit.>>1365087
> Plenty of space for communal gardens and opportunities for urban development.
and places to drill for new oil. Fuck the environment! I want $ 1.50 a gallon gas prices!>>1365096
wrong. I tell my doctor what to do. My body, My choice.>>1365105
>>1365107
>Myocarditis and Pericarditis
only junkies get that. It's gods punishment for stupidity and degeneracy.>>1365128
how can one anon be so fucking BASED!?>>1365132
his ideology is basic Darwinism. He is BASED and (YOU) are a faggot.>>1365134
>GI Bill
that's a handout. You didn't tug on those bootstraps hard enough looks like.>>1365136
this.
>>1365142
real Vets don't brag about their service. Most refuse to admit they served openly. Me thinks your lying.>>1365148
but tearing down homeless shelters and passing harsh public safety laws are a (R) issue.
Four States Could Secede From US and Join Canada to Avoid Trump—Democrat
Aprominent Democratic New York State Senator has floated the fanciful proposition that her state and its northeastern neighbors secede from the United States to join Canada to avoid President-elect Donald Trump's return to office.
Liz Krueger, who chairs the New York State Senate Finance Committee, argued that the Empire State, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, could all suffer under Trump's new administration.
Citing his proposed crackdown on immigration and promise of mass deportation, the Manhattan Democrat believes liberal and sanctuary states such as New York could be threatened with cuts in the amount of federal funding they receive, a move the incoming leader and his cabinet have suggested, should states oppose new policy measures.
This is not the first time the New York Democrat has offered up a radical and improbable plan to counter Trump's policies, suggesting in September, ahead of his election win, that the bloc of blue states should join Canada.
"I thought I would suggest to Canada that instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night without them noticing, which is pretty hard because there's a lot of us, that they should instead agree to let us be the southeast province, a new province of Canada.
"And I offered, even though I hadn't gotten agreement from other states yet, that I thought New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, would combine and be a great new province as the southeast province of Canada," Krueger said in an interview with news site City and State New York.>>1364889
Democrats trying to secede from the union caused quite a stir last time they tried it>>1364889
At least he pasted the article text so he's fine>>1364888
Seccession is warranted when the alternative is to be part of an authoritarian state (or possibly an Evangelical theocracy) run by a profoundly incompetent narcissist who built his empire on fraud and deception and got away with it by abusing the court system.>>1364894
Bye Felicia.>>1364894
A bit premature. If furnaces start going up in the camps, your citizens start disappearing, and deputized national guard are being sent into states, then is the time to do a funny. There's a chance that shit can happen, but it's not very likely.>>1364894
>Seccession is warranted when the alternative is to be part of an authoritarian state
That's pretty much exactly what Democrats said last time they tried to secede>>1364901
Why did all the former confederate states swap to being deep red while the yankees went democrat?>>1364902
Because the North are oppressors and the Dems are the party of oppression. They marched into the South and razed it for literally no reason. They couldn't let the South just do its own thing. The Dems were the party of slavery and oppression. The South just wanted to be free from the oppression of the liberal elite of the Dems. That's why we call it the war of yankee (democrat) aggression where I live.>>1364902
Only demotard shills bring up that talking point.>>1364904
Black people vote democrat for a good reason.>>1364903
>The Dems were the party of slavery and oppression
I'm sorry, which side was in favor of literal slavery again?>>1364906
The Democrats>>1364907
So the South, who wanted to keep slavery, wanted to be free of the Dems, who also wanted to keep slavery. The Dems then destroyed the South for no reason, because the South split off from the North due to wanting to keep slavery when the North, who would be the Dems, wanted to get rid of slavery, which they were actually in favor of.
You don't see a small problem in this logic anon?>>1364889
OP may be a faggot, but this is absolutely ridiculous. You cocksucking retards have upgraded from "If Trump wins, I'll leave the country!" to "If Trump wins, I'll leave and take the country with me!". As if you didn't learn your lesson with your little CHAZ experiment/trial run, where you faggots got to LARP as communists and practice executing unarmed minor minorities. You motherfuckers laugh about it when some redneck in the middle of Texas makes grumbling secession noises, but now you want to take away four states - which includes the largest city in the world - because you have TDS so fucking severe that it's not even funny anymore.
>DURR TRUMP IS GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY
>SO I'M GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY TO PROVE HOW HE'S GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY
Every fucking time.>>1364894
>Seccession is warranted when the alternative is to be part of an authoritarian state
Shut the fuck up.>>1364912
Fuck off chudson>>1364913
No fuck you, antifa-wannabe failure. I hope you get wasted by a 17 year old like last time.>>1364911
Good postThat which does not kill them, makes them develop weird coping mechanisms.
Democrats, of course.>>1364918
You reveal more about your mental illness every time you attack the strawmen in your head here.>>1364921
>>1364927
Sorry I can't hear either of you over the tears of the former business-owning minorities with stores that got molotov'd so you could own the police. Way to fight the power there comrade.>>1364928
It's been four years anon.
The irony is Rittenhouse ruined his life; not even from shooting those guys, but instead through trying to ride the hype you retards made for him. He was not equipped to be a public figure and it has destroyed his ability to gain any job that isn't being invited to speak for a minute at a conservative event, and even then they've stopped offering because he has zero charisma or ideals other than talking about a four-year old shooting. If he'd just treated it as a tragic incident, he could've faded into the background and gotten his life back. But instead he bought into his own hype and now he has nothing to go back to and nowhere forward to go.>>1364931
>It's been four years anon.
And you faggots are still trying to destroy the country because ORANGE MAN BAD!
>The irony is Rittenhouse ruined his life
By saving his life from the average democrats.
>not even from shooting those guys, but instead through trying to ride the hype you retards made for him.
In response to you faggots CONSTANTLY LYING ABOUT HIS CASE TO THIS DAY, trying to call him a nazi, incel, murderer, etc.
>and it has destroyed his ability to gain any job
He couldn't get a job fucking anywhere thanks to you faggots! If he were to work at a fucking Wendy's you cocksucking fucks would burn it down! He has to walk around with a bodyguard for the rest of his life because scum like you think you're entitled to murder him because he had the audacity to not die in Kenosha.
>If he'd just treated it as a tragic incident, he could've faded into the background and gotten his life back.
Wrong. You subhumans to this very day are talking about how 'he'll get what's coming to him' and 'karma's a bitch'. I have never seen a group of people so upset at a minor killing a pedophile in my life - but that's the democrat party for you in a nutshell.>>1364931
Well, coping like this won't bring back the jewish chomos he rightfully shot.>>1364932
Rittenhouse's own agent tried to give him a life as a conservative spokesperson. He failed, because Rittenhouse has no education, no marketable skills, and no work ethic. He is utterly unsuited to life as a public figure because he has nothing to offer beyond "Hey remember that time I shot two people?" and now has become convinced he needs nothing more.
I'm not blaming him for anything that went down before the trial ended. But after that, he shot himself in the foot time after time by trying to market himself as a new republican icon instead of just putting it all behind him. The reason people keep talking about him is because he keeps insisting on trying to be a public speaker despite having nothing to offer. If he just shut up and went back to everyday life, the vast majority of people would forget about him, even all but the most terminally online and obsessed leftists.
Kyle should've been treated like a dumb kid who wound up in a position where he had to kill two people to save himself, not a vigilante hero who goes to photo ops and speaks at events. But no; you retards insisted on treating him like the fucking Punisher. And now he's stuck in a rut where his image is forever associated with that and he's convinced himself he can stay afloat on it forever. Meanwhile his mother and sister got evicted from their house because he's too busy trying to build up his own brand to even lend a hand to them, and his own brand is non-existent beyond "remember that time I shot two people?". He can't distance himself from something that should've been regarded as a traumatic incident because he became convinced to make it his whole personality. He can't get a normal job because he's plastered "LOOK AT THAT TIME I SHOT PEOPLE" over every mention of his name, but he can't even survive as a conservative figure because that's all he has to offer with no political policy, charisma, or even achievements to stand on. It's fucking sad more than anything.>>1364937
>If he just shut up and went back to everyday life,
Which was never an option. This is what dems do; they destroy the lives of people that defend themselves from the mob they rile up. Remember Darren Wilson? The shooting of Michael Brown? Hands Up Don't Shoot?
To this very fucking day that man will never work as a cop again, even though he did nothing wrong. Him and his family have to remain in hiding for the rest of their lives because of people like you.
Now shall we get back to the subject of democrats leaving the union, or do we need more examples of innocent people having their lives shattered by democrats?>>1364940
I actually forgot Darren Wilson. A benefit of not going on fox news because it's your only source of income.
Also, Darren Wilson isn't going to work as a police officer again because he was a public official who, in the eyes of the public, failed his duty. Justified or not, you don't wind up with that much controversy and are able to stay employed in that industry. Police are supposed to make the public feel secure. Seeing the guy who pulled you over is responsible for the death of an unarmed teen, self defense or not, isn't going to help that.>>1364888
Texas literally put a secession referendum on their ballot this year.>>1364888
Canadian here. No fucking way we would let them join. Where I walk my dog in the morning we still have canons pointed in your direction from the last time. Americans made their bed, it's time to lay in it>>1364937
>melting down
Just stop already>>1364940
Good post>>1364944
>A benefit of not going on fox news because it's your only source of income.
Yeah okay faggot. Can't debunk a fucking thing I've said so far, so you're playing the 'durr getz all info from fawks' card like the stupid fucking retard you are. Please tell me where I was wrong at any point of our convo.
>because he was a public official who, in the eyes of the public, failed his duty.
How?
>you don't wind up with that much controversy
What controversy? Now watch everyone, this stupid faggot is going to say that Darren Wilson is a racist, or some equally retarded shit, because msnbc tried to do that - only when you look into it, they were trying to get him for using racial slurs in his reports WHEN HE WAS QUOTING LANGUAGE USED BY THE ACTUAL FUCKING SUSPECTS HE WAS INTERVIEWING (i.e. a witness saying dis nigga punched me) as proof that Darren is a white supremacist. OR he's going to pull some guilt-by-association bullshit where the police department had a bunch of complaints of racism so he must've done something similar (but can never provide an example). You're gonna do that shit. I got $5 on it.>>1364931
>Rittenhouse ruined his life;
He got like $22 million>>1364952
A police office is a public role. Even if cleared in a court of law, court of public opinion can still decide if you keep your job. No one wants to hire someone with that bad of a public reputation, even if it was resulting from a shooting he was cleared for legally. And Wilson definitely didn't help his case with the way the police handled the issue to protect him (contradicting each other's testimonies, leaving the body there for four hours, not taping the initial interview after the shooting itself) which made it so murky that even a complete legal exoneration could help his reputation.>>1364954
All that money and he couldn't be fucked to help his family avoid getting evicted?
You know what happens when you give a young dumbass a bunch of money and hype up his ego? It all goes down the shitter within a few years because he blows it on stupid shit.>>1364955
There's not a fucking thing in this world I could show you that would get you to agree that Darren did nothing wrong, so I'm gonna set that to the side for now. Fuck whether or not he should be a cop for a second.
Him and his family should not be in hiding in 2024 + 11 months.
That's the problem with you people. That's why neither Darren or Kyle can just 'move on with their lives' and get a regular job, because the second one democrat recognizes either of them they'll form a flash-mob to kill them and/or burn down whatever building they're in.>>1364954
>He got like $22 million
Source?>>1364959
Darren's family is not in-hiding. They went into private life and stayed out of headlines. The same thing Rittenhouse should be doing instead of going around doing speeches at conservative events.>>1364962
>Darren's family is not in-hiding.
Oh really faggot? Where are they then?>>1364963
Where the fuck are you?>>1364963
Where's yours? Just because you're staying out of public eye doesn't mean you're in hiding. Normal people don't make headlines.>>1364964
Your moms house.
>>1364965
>Just because you're staying out of public eye doesn't mean you're in hiding.
The last fucking info we got of this guy was that him - and his family - is in hiding. Show me where that's changed, you stupid fuck.
God I want to fucking stab you.>>1364967
Anon, not everyone goes around reporting all their activities to the news or on social media. It's been 10 years; they went back to normal private life>>1364969
>source: bruh just trust me>>1364970
anon they're not celebrities. What do you expect? "Oh on november 4th 2022 one of them went to a costco"
If anything this shows the media isn't anywhere near as obsessed with them as you're making them out to be.>>1364971
God, you people are pathetic. I can't wait until the Trump train starts its retribution tour.>>1364972
>how dare libs on social media cancel these people for their actions
>We should kill you for your political opinions and being annoying
Amazing consistency anon.>>1364973
lol
These aren't opposing opinions anon.>>1364973
>commit economic warfare against people for their political opinions
>acts surprised that people want divine retribution to drop on his head
Fucking>>1364973
Well, they see lefties as not even human, or animals for that fact, but pests, and you know what you do with pests. You can respect something that's dangerous, you can't respect a pest.>>1364974
>>1364975
>>1364976
>Why yes, I am mentally ill
Every time.>>1364973
>how dare libs on social media cancel these people for their actions
These completely justified, logical, actions of NOT WANTING TO DIE. Holy fuck.>>1364976
I wonder what they intend to do about family that are of the wrong political persuasion. There's a pretty even divide in this country, at least among voters, so chances are, they know at least one person who leans opposite.>>1364981
There was a guy in another thread saying that he was taking names of all the leftists he knew of in his family to hand over to Trump if he starts the purge. That's how they're dealing with it.>>1364982
They're either gonna be so disappointed when Trump doesn't do this or shocked if he does and they wind up on the same list of dissidents and subjected to the same shit.>>1364981
lol if you vote dem you arent family to me. told my former brother i never want to see him or spawn ever again when i saw his pro sanders posts. wont go to thanksgiving now cause the parents still drag him over. fuckem.>>1364983
>implying
Trump is in the same boat of the rest of us. Either he starts deporting democrats or he goes to jail, unironically, because that's the standard that has been set by retards like Biden and Obama.
You can't sit there, take away my right to speak, threaten to jail me for questioning elections, force me to take experimental medical experiments and expect this situation to continue to be political. This is about survival, now. You retards did this.>>1364983
Trump definitely wants to, but he would have so much working against him, even with some convenient crisis to take advantage of (and there will probably be some act of terrorism or city burning). You gotta overcome the senate, the military and bureaucracy, the media, then there's the state governments, and you have to do it relatively fast. While I could see the house voting to give him temporary absolute powers to clean up the country, I can't see the Senate giving up that power, even with intense pressure.
>>1364985
>You retards did this.
It's funny, I always see this line repeated. It's like you don't have agency. You know who does have agency: Trump.>>1364985
Anon you're very clearly still speaking. Stop having a fucking tantrum because you either didn't want to have a shot or decided to storm the capitol building and faced consequences for it.>>1364985
Where would you deport 75 million people? The logistics of that are insane.>>1364988
I want to deport a 150 million, and it can be done.>>1364989
But where would you send them?>>1364988
The same way the nazis deported the jews, and the communists deported the kulaks.
>>1364987
>Stop having a fucking tantrum because you either didn't want to have a shot
I ignored the shot. My family didn't.
Three of relatives now have constant migraines/pains, another suffered a transient ischemic attack. A close friend of mine had a heart attack, veered off the road, hit a tree. Doc said it was the vaccine.
The government and the media also unironically suggested taking our kids away because we refused medical experimentation. They also censored us because we were 'spreading disinformation' and mocked us for three years.
I pray every day that Trump becomes the dictator you feared he would become.>>1364991
NTA, send them to New England right before it joins Canada.>>1364992
Would you say that your family deserved it.?Like >>1364984 said, if they're libs they aren't family.democrats lost>>1364992
Most of the people I knew who vaxxed up didn't have these issues. The one family member who died during the pandemic was my grandad, who refused to vax. Maybe you just got weak genes running in your family or something.>>1364992
>Three of relatives now have constant migraines/pains, another suffered a transient ischemic attack. A close friend of mine had a heart attack, veered off the road, hit a tree.
Sure anon. Sure.
Even if you're not making this up, if all three of your relatives got the exact same type of issue it might just be genetic you fucking retard.
>Doc said it was the vaccine.
Absolutely fucking hilarious.
>"Yeah anon, as we can tell from this fatal car crash, he obviously had a vaccine induced heart attack first. Why can I tell it was from the vaccine? Well, did he have the vaccine first? Well there. Probably that. Ignore the fact literally no doctor on this earth can attribute a heart attack to anything other than a blockage of the heart valve, which itself can have so many causes that determining the cause of that blockage is more about reducing risk behaviors instead of direct attribution.">>1364997
You are a fucking sheep who they are trying to kill with their poison. Don't worry though, cause Trump is coming for you.>>1364999
Why is step one of any global Jewish conspiracy to kill the sheeple? The sheeple are the ones who're blindly following them already. They're the ones who you could whip into a frenzy against the "enemy" and who'd be digging the ditches if there was a mass death. You kill the sheeple, and what are you left with? A bunch of free minded anti-government contrarians types. Nah, if there was a plan to cull the population, the sheeple would be on the second or third rung of the genocide ladder.>>1365000
There's been plenty of IRL conspiracies where everyone is a retard and working against one another because they don't know what the fuck is going on. This leads to a lot of contradictory actions and eventual exposure.>>1364998
>Absolutely fucking hilarious.
Trust the experts though, right?
See, what you don't seem to grasp is that you and your ilk managed to convince innocent people to suffer for no reason other than your own personal satisfaction. You were afraid of a pandemic, so people like you did all you could to convince everybody around you to give up their rights, including censoring dissenting voices. And those you didn't manage to convince, you threatened.
You're persona non grata and you don't even realize it yet.>>1365002
Anon literally every bit of "suffering" you've experienced is people not wanting to associate with you because of your actions and your decisions. The only exceptions have been when your actions actually have an effect on public health, at which point you started accusing a vaccine of things it PHYSICALLY CANNOT DO because some facebook post scared you out of getting a shot.>>1365002
>so people like you did all you could to convince everybody around you to give up their rights, including censoring dissenting voices.
You don't have the right to run around naked in public. You can't shoot somebody just because you don't like his face. Back during the world wars and civil war, goods were rationed, and a draft was instituted. Rights are not absolute, especially if they negatively impact the health of the community.
If you guys just quarantined yourselves to your own isolated groups, it'd be fine. It's a private issue. If you guys go out into the wider community and start coughing on people who don't want to be coughed on, then it becomes a community issue. It's not just your body, it's everyone else around you as well.>>1365002
>You're persona non grata and you don't even realize it yet.
Acshually, 2/3rds of Americans still say the benefits of the covid vaccine outweighed its risks, despite the kung flu vax being less trusted overall than other vaccines.
>The big picture: The findings from the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center are further evidence of how intense backlash to the government's at times muddled COVID response eroded trust in public health, jeopardizing preparedness efforts to address future crises.
>The proliferation of vaccine misinformation on social media has also outpaced efforts to counter it, Columbia University researchers found earlier this year.
>What they found: 28% of respondents to Annenberg's survey incorrectly believe that COVID-19 vaccines have been responsible for thousands of deaths, up from 22% in June 2021. The percentage who know this is false declined to 55% from 66%.
>22% believe the false idea that it's safer to get a COVID infection than to get the vaccine, up from 10% in April 2021, months after the shots were rolled out.
>The percent of those incorrectly believing that the COVID-19 vaccine changes people's DNA nearly doubled to 15% from 8% in April 2021.
>Yes, but: Two-thirds of Americans still say the benefits of taking COVID-19 vaccines outweigh the risks. But that's a lower percentage than those who said the same for the mpox vaccine (70%), RSV shots for adults 60 and older (74% when asked in October 2023), and the childhood measles, mumps, rubella vaccine (89% in August 2023).
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/29/mo
>2024
>still citing """"polls""""
You sheep are always such a riot. I'd be laughing if I wasn't so angry and disgusted by you.
>>1365004
Fuck community, fuck society. All I hear is bleeting. You're truly weak. Only decadent times can breed weakness like you. A true pillar of strength casts off the chain of others' and subjugates them to his will. He doesn't give a fuck about the feelings of others or community.>>1365006
My favorite thing about the conservatives on here is how they always start to sound like Senator Armstrong after a few posts.>>1365006
you know anon the fact you consider a 78 year old millionaire who's literally spent his entire life with a silver spoon in his mouth a "true pillar of strength" says a lot more about you than anything.
Also if he doesn't give a fuck about the feelings of others or community, why the hell should he care about you?>>1364911
i hope new england and the west coast both secede since theyre major economic hubs in america>>1365011
When did the "liberals" shift to caring about the economy? It's been a very fucking weird past few years.>>1365011
>mfw California is the largest importer of electricity out of all 50 states, mostly from Arizona and Utah
Oh ho ho I stay wishing a motherfucker would. I can't fucking wait to cut off power to Los Angeles and shut down the I-10W. Nice economy you got there, too bad it depends on electricity to exist. But don't worry, I'm sure that wind farm you paid so much money for will be enough LMAO>>1365008
Bernie is 82.>>1365015
I never know what people actually mean when they say liberals, but as a leftist progressive we have always cared about the economy, just not caring about it overtop other important things.>>1365020
I mean modern liberals, totalitarian libertines who also go by the name "progressives" as if they seek any progress in any aspect.>>1365022
So what would your term be for someone who works towards what they see as progress, in terms of better protecting the environment, shrinking the wealth gap and letting gay or trans people be themselves without being punished for it?>>1365025
A colossal double faggot.
Fag-driven, fag-centric politics has ended.>>1364888
Kinda crazy how accurate that op pic is. I started seeing so many posts calling Vance/republicans "weird" out of nowhere, and then suddenly post election they all stopped.
Hard to tell if it was the result of NPCs like in the image, or just plain old paid shills and/or bots>>1365030
its school and lack of faith. there is a direct link to so called education level and not being religious and not voting for trump. this is why public education should be eliminated college should be curtailed and church made mandatory. the smartest people in my experience have always been the ones who drop out of school such as myself.>>1365031
Stupid shit post, libshit>>1365033
colleges are indoctrination centers for leftist thought. soience has been taken over by them which is why you have the climate conspiracy and vax poison being pushed. if you do not see it then you are the libtard.>>1365035
>>1365031
Nobody's believing this>>1365036
we have a fucking huge issue with schooling in this country. open your eyes. i dont have kids but i know of neighbors who have taken their childs out of school to be homeschooled because they do not stand the leftist teaching.>>1365029
And see to me, that you're fine and dandy with a handful of corporate billionaires having most of the world's wealth controlling everything and fucking up the planet for the rest of us, while wanting them to police people's private lives, and who they are allowed to love makes ypu a subhuman bootlicking fascist.>>1365006
HAHAHA!!!
Well spoken fellow Master Morality practicing Ubermensch!!!
Let's go commit a mass shooting at a daycare center and kidnap some cunny sex slaves!!!>>1364945
They actually do that every week.>>1365003
>The only exceptions have been when your actions actually have an effect on public health
You didn't know whether or not the vaccine prevented transmission. And we know this, now, because even the """experts""" admitted that it didn't, despite previous claims to the contrary.
This isn't shitposting, by the way. Half of my family is now turbofucked with chronic illnesses because democrats used peer pressure and threats to convince them to take an experimental medical treatment.
For what it's worth, I hope the cancer kills you quickly and with minimal pain.>>1365044
So the solution then is to try to ignore the virus and just let it run its course?>>1365045
Yes. That's what we've done for thousands of years before the invention of """"vaccines"""". The quicker everyone catches it, the quicker it will be over. Natural immunity is the only thing that works. Vaccines at best are a placebo but usually just fucking poison. The science industry is lying to you and reaping profits from so-called medicine and procedures that don't fix anything and in fact hurts you.>>1365044
No vaccine stops you from catching a disease. What they do is make your body better prepared to fight it, which vastly reduces the viral load. In the case of many vaccines, this is the to point where you don't even get symptoms despite technically being sick. Imagine it like this: infection is a war. You can either equip your body with the tools and training to fight it off (vaccines), or let your body research and develop those on its own (natural immunity). In the second case, things can get much hairier, especially if your body is already crippled in some way (comorbidities).
While people do gloss over the deleterious side effects of vaccines, broadly speaking, the risks and inconvenience of getting really sick usually greatly outweigh the risks of harm from the vaccine. But that's true of all medical treatments. The traditional treatment for cancer is literally nuking you and hoping it kills the cancer faster than it kills you.
If you want to talk anecdotally, most people I know got vaccinated and have had no apparent issues like your family does. I do know of people who got seriously fucked up or died from covid before the vaccines were rolled out. My grandad and research advisor both died from it, and I think the coff brain-damaged my brother.>>1365050
>research advisor
fcuk you college boy. you are worse than useless you are the feces that is killing society.>>1365050
>the risks and inconvenience of getting really sick usually greatly outweigh the risks of harm from the vaccine
Except there was almost no danger in regards to THAT vaccine for individuals under 60 years of age.
It was a flu. It wasn't small pox, or shingles. It was a fucking flu for everyone but old people.
Despite all the data saying that this was the case, the vaccine was forced upon people who have no chance of dying from the flu. The vaccine provably damaged people that had no relevant need to take it. That's the biggest problem with THAT vaccine.>>1365052
Covid was the worse fucking fever I've ever had. I didn't go to the hospital, even when my oxygen levels were borderline. I had diarrhea for a month afterwards. For the next year, my head was muddled, and I had difficulty focusing and remembering, to the point that it was difficult for me to complete sentences. It was like everything was hazy. If you're young, you'll likely survive it, but long covid wasn't a joke. Even if your covid is on the mild side, you're likely to give it to someone else who can't handle it.>>1365054
Stupid ass bullshit poster.
>I both got the vaccine and had really bad CONVID!!!!
WTF? Interesting argument, not convincing though.>>1365052
The body purpose for covid and flu is the same.
The only difference is the diagnose and the treatment. Especially isolation which will make upgrade every symptom for any so called disease.
This will effect the weaker more and especially the old which people wanted to fend for themselves because a scary "virus"As a proud Canadian, I welcome the jews AND Chinese and Indians of NY. The blacks AND hispanics can go somewhere else. If our new Jewish class need hired help, I can do yardcwork and my wife housework>>1365054
This is complete bullshit peddled by a leftist vaccine shillbot. Covid was a fucking nothing virus. It's just the flu, and like the flu, it all went away when the summer came, exactly like Trump said it would.>>1365055
I caught it before there was a vaccine.>>1365061
Yeah summer around two years later. After killing thousands of people and crippling who knows how many more.>>1365063
Still calling bullshit. Shills like you will be one of the first on Trump's lists.>>1365064
All from the vaccines.>>1365066
We have literal statistics comparing the deaths of vaccinated against unvaccinated.>>1365067
Hey, those statistics aren't real. But my anecdotes about people who got the vaccine and then died of a heart attack 2-3 years later is obviously more accurate.>>1365067
From the lie millers you call scientists, right? Stats are lies. If you can't see what is obviously in front of your face, then you are a special breed of retard.>>1365068
>Conservatives are more likely to see empirical (e.g., scientific) and experiential (e.g., anecdotal) perspectives as more equal in legitimacy. Liberals think empirical evidence is better at approximating reality, conservatives are more likely to say that both research and anecdotes are legitimate.
>Political conservatives in the United States see scientific evidence and personal experience as closer in legitimacy than liberals, according to new research published in the journal Political Psychology. The findings provide evidence that conservatives and liberals tend to evaluate sources of knowledge differently, even in regard to non-political issues.
>“Understanding how and why people differ in how they figure out what’s real and what’s not, and why there seems to be a divide there based on political ideology, is in my mind the major question of our time as far as social scientists are concerned,” said study author Randy B. Stein, an assistant professor of marketing at Cal Poly Pomona.
>“One of the inspirations for the research was the tendency for conservative news outlets to want to represent ‘both sides’ of climate science (meaning, the actual science and the deniers) as equally legitimate. That’s one of the things that lead some social scientists to suggest that conservatives are more anti-science or anti-empiricism than liberals.”
>“But there’s always been a competing view that maybe both liberals and conservatives are just making the most convenient arguments for them — e.g., conservatives don’t like climate science not because they’re anti-science per se, but because they don’t like the implications of climate science in general.”
-https://www.psypost.org/conservati
>>1365069
Like fucking clockwork.>>1365071
This was a pretty bad study though. They weren't testing people's reaction to empirical evidence they were testing reactions to authority figures. A scientist is not the same as science. The sentiment is about right though. Trust the science, right?>>1365068
> But my anecdotes about people who got the vaccine and then died of a heart attack 2-3 years later is obviously more accurate.
I'm >>1364992
From what the doctor told us, they said that anybody who died from heart issues within a week or two after receiving the vaccine was being counted as having an adverse reaction.
I don't know why they decided to attribute the vaccine to her death. My best guess is that they were seeing an upward trend of heart attacks during or shortly after receiving the vaccine.>>1364992
>The same way the nazis deported the jews, and the communists deported the kulaks.
Well, at least you're honest about it. I'm so tired of these guys going on TV and teeheeing around the issue of how. Even Fuentez won't just come out and say it.Trump's health expert, RFK, said there is "no vaccine that is safe and effective." As the libtards say, listen to the experts.>>1365077
I used to be pro-vax, so I bought into the narrative that RFK was a quack. Then I listened to him and Trump for HOURS. I thought, how can two people who are so smart and successful be so wrong about this? I now understand where they're coming from. Why weren't we exploring the effects of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and diluted bleach on covid? This all points to a massive conspiracy by scientists and pharma. I've come to realize that Trump and FDR are dead on about eliminating the FDA and CDC, eliminating the quack science coming out of universities, and canceling the pharma industry.>>1365077
>Trump's health expert
An official and an expert are not the same thing.>>1365078
No one suggested diluted bleach.
And I'm pretty sure that hydroxychloroquine was later found to be effective, despite the odd rumblings of the vaccine defense squad on the Internet (paid for by the UN and proliferated on Reddit with an endless supply of canned talking points). Least organic shit I've ever seen.>>1365081
Hmm, what's the difference?>>1365076
You aren't taking US territory with you, anon. The best I can offer is pay you to leave to Canada.>>1365083
having a degree makes you less good at jobs in my opinion. i wouldnt trust a graduate as far as you could throw them. they need to get more so called non experts managing this shit. get some salt of the earth from small town to run the department of science or something. they live in the real world unlike those dumb eggheads.>>1365084
But we're probably conquering Canada and Mexico. If they won't trade with us on our terms, we'll just have to take what they have.>>1365086
Nobody wants Canada. Not even the canadians want Canada. But the Yukon is majestic. Plenty of space for communal gardens and opportunities for urban development.>>1365085
I'd laugh at your vote, but modern teaching is just about teaching student to vomit back information.
Ultimately a degree is simply an appointment, such as an official would receive.
Additionally "trust experts" doesn't work on an untested vaccine. No one is an expert in that field.>>1365085
If salt of the earth types could manage jack shit, they would.>>1365083
>Hmm, what's the difference?
Biden is the commander in chief. He has zero military knowledge/experience. You would not expect anyone to have confidence in him giving direct instructions about how to prosecute a military endeavor.
An official is someone in charge. An expert is someone that knows what they are doing.>>1365090
if the libturd eleits let them maybe they would>>1365091
>An expert is someone that knows what they are doing.
Excellent. So who was the expert on the future negative effects of the untested COVID vaccine, a literal unknown at the time?>>1365093
Additional question: how did we end up in a situation where people with degrees were not experts when they said the vaccine was causing myocarditis and were counter with "trust the experts!!!" when these people tried to speak out?>>1365093
once you start digging all vaccines are bad>>1365092
You don't need a liberal elite's permission to manage a business or redneck government. There's a reason coal mine owners get elected and not coal miners.
>>1365093
>So who was the expert on the future negative effects of the untested COVID vaccine, a literal unknown at the time?
What unknown negative effects have arisen? Every one I'm aware of was on the list of possible side effects for the vaccines. Dipshits like you just need to listen to your doctor and shut the fuck up. You literally pay them to know more about your health than you do.>>1365096
>just trust the soience>>1365097
That or stop seeing a doctor. Either will solve our problem.Oh, and one more, considering that COVID killed almost no one under the age of 50, yet vaxfascists were pushing it on kids as young as 9 years old, who had a near zero mortality, how can you say the vaccine did more harm than good for this group when they would have lived, and lived without myocarditis if they hadn't taken the vax?
One would think the experts would update the recommendation as the numbers came in to strongly suggest that anyone 50+ get the vaccine like with the flu shot. However, that happen. Why?>>1365096
>What unknown negative effects have arisen?
Myocarditis. And some believe some cases of "long COVID" are vaccine related as well.>>1365094
You can have a degree and not be an expert in the that particular area of the research. Every Masters or PhD has a specialization. For instance, in physics, a material scientist may know in broad strokes what an astrophysics gets up (theory like spectroscopy is transferable) but wouldn't know enough to be an expert in it. Second, experts make all sorts of claims, even ones backed up with experimental results, but unless it's peer-reviewed and then independently verified, it's treated as just conjecture, especially if it goes against what everyone else is getting (the consensus). Perhaps the experimental procedures or equipment was flawed. Perhaps the scientist's conclusion was incorrect. More often than we'd like, that is the case (why I don't get excited over novel phenomena unless another lab has replicated the results). There are cases where the consensus and peer-review are flawed, but statistically, it's far less likely than the individual scientist or lab being at fault.>>1365100
>My evidence for this is some facebook posts
Covid can also cause Myocarditis dumbass. If there's an increased rate, it's because of that.>>1365101
Thanks for the QRD, queer.
>Muh peer-review
That simply means a consensus in which there's nothing specifically scientific about agreement.
Why do we keep hearing the the term peer-review like it's supposed to carry some weight to it?
Science is about experimentation, data and results. Data was ignored. Wild claims were made. The "Trust Science!!!" horseshit was the least scientific shit ever.>>1365102
So Mr. Vaccinate doesn't know that the vaccine can cause myocarditis at a rate substantially higher than the mortality rate of COVID in people under 50?
Interesting. Myocarditis and Pericarditis are known side effects of the COVID vaccine.
This was known and suppressed and is the specific incident I've been speaking about. If you aren't aware of it, don't reply to me, faggot.>>1365103
Off the top of my head, several papers were published with claims of a novel high temperature superconducting material (such LK-99 and Red Matter). One of the papers, by Ranga Dias, passed peer review in a very prestigious journal. It's not actually that difficult to get past peer review, by the way, so long as your arguments are sound and your grasps of the basics solid.
After about a year of attempts to replicate Dias's results, it was found that he had massaged/fabricated data and committed massive scientific misconduct. That's why consensus is important in science. Again, I could make the claim that vaping is actually good for your health, run an experiment that proves my point, even publish it, but until other labs do the same, it doesn't mean much.>>1365105
If you're worried about myocarditis, rawdogging covid has a much higher chance of developing that (and other ailments) than the vax. It's something like 5-10 per 100000 young adults get mild myocarditis, and that usually resolves itself on its own. With any medicine, from the off the shelf stuff you buy at Walgreens all the way up to the specialized stuff found only in hospitals, there is a risk of a bad reaction or interaction, but that risk is still significantly less than the risk of the disease itself.
Additionally, these vaccines have passed health standards around the world and have been used everywhere. Do you think other countries, some of which are antagonistic to us, are all in cahoots to funnel money into our big pharma?>>1365101
why shoudl we believe you. you sound like a college illiterate and already have their tendrils in your brain. you are exactly the types who we dont want managing government or resarch.>>1365106
>>1365107
With every word you say you just prove your a blind retard. Your why I support Trump becoming a dictator if that's what he needs to do to shut your ilk up.>>1365109
>YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG. GOD I JUST WISH TRUMP WOULD KILL EVERYONE WHO CHALLENGES MY BELIEFS
Absolutely pathetic.>>1365106
>That's why consensus is important in science.
That's the problem. Science is the study of the natural world. It's not determined by consensus.
Three years ago the consensus was that the vaccine didn't cause myocarditis, and that any claims of such a thing were considered a conspiracy theory. Now it's a common adverse reaction, which, coincidentally, has been conflated with catching COVID itself.
Now we're seeing a resurgence of colon cancers. But every "expert" wants to debunk such claims, because to acknowledge such a thing would mean that a good percentage of the vaccinated will be dead in a decade or so.>>1365112
Gastric cancer, colorectal cancer, and distant-stage breast cancer in younger people (read below 50) had been increasing before COVID. Between 1975 and 2015, cancer rates for women aged 25-39 went up by 1.15% every year, and 0.46% for men: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar
All to say, the more likely culprits are factors which were introduced or got worse over that time period. Personally, my money is on microplastics in the food and water supply.>>1365113
>posting an nih link
Just peddling government lies. Also convenient how your study ends before the vax.>>1364946
As a proud Canadian, I welcome the jews AND Chinese and Indians of NY. The blacks AND hispanics can go somewhere else. If our new Jewish class need hired help, I can do yardcwork and my wife housework>>1364888
no one in canada wants your fucking trash gtfo. Americans have turned toronto into a shitfest we don't want more of you retards over here>>1365020
>but as a leftist progressive we have always cared about the economy
No all you've ever done is bitch about how life isn't fair and the rich should give all their money to the poor. Which is why every economic policy you faggots try to put in place ends up an abysmal failure. Protip: trying to copy/paste socialist programs from your favorite European nation full of homosexuals does not work in the US.>>1365113
>It's not actually that difficult to get past peer review, by the way, so long as your arguments are sound and your grasps of the basics solid.
And your thesis doesn't fly in the face of "acceptable" science, poisoning the well for any future funding.
https://publichealthpolicyjournal.c
leftist progressives are performative selfish assholes that have never done anything that affects them negatively. You preach about open borders all the while hiding in a state far away from the immigration crisis. You screech about racism while being some white middle-class loser whose born into riches and just uses that to self-aggrandize and make yourself feel better.
Fuck you everytime i see someone from the us perish if its from a libshit state It's a good thing for the world. you are human garbage>>1365118
funny thing is those losers are saying that all the while being born into wealth and luxury. They're saying the working class should give more to the poor while these losers won't even give a cent. Fuck leftists pieces of shit.
Just look at how little the average libshit propaganda reporter who screeches about class issues donates to charities, nothing. all the while making millions a year working once a week in a job they got into off sheer nepotism and connections.>>1365124
Those of us in the real world practice tough love. If you die poor and sick, you deserved it. You are responsible only for yourself. You need to learn how to help yourself and should suffer the consequences if you're a retard. The government shouldn't be there to pick up the slack. Like libertarians say, altruism, whether genuine or fake, is the root of all evil, and greed is good.
>>1365126
Charities are shit. In my state, Paxton has been going after the church for running homeless shelters. These shelters become ground zero for all sorts of drug use and crimes. If you ask me, we should just put all the homeless into open air prisons in the desert.>>1365128
You have a deeply unserious ideology and should not be taken seriously in any context.>>1365128
>Those of us in the real world practice tough love. If you die poor and sick, you deserved it.
funny how you say that when you're probably a born middle-class rich guy whose never had to do any real work. Maybe you should just die and get mugged problem will solve itself. You don't deserve more safety or security just for being born rich if you think you do well don't be surprised when people celebrate you getting mugged and shanked>>1365133
>funny how you say that when you're probably a born middle-class rich guy whose never had to do any real work.
NTA, but agree with him. Loving the 'you got soft hands' meme, but for the record:
>grew up lower-middle class at best
>raised by a single mom who worked as a cop to raise three kids by herself
>living in shitty apartments full of gang-bangers
>in Illinois back when it was the strictest state for gun laws (lol which didn't do shit for all the shootings I've seen and heard)
>moved out at 17, living in my car while working minimum wage
>joined the military right out of high school
>got out, lived off GI Bill for a while until landing a stable job
>gets lectured about "never had to do any real work" by some leftist faggot who has never left the suburbs>>1365134
you're defending a retard who lives in california whose talked about how great the leftist progressives are>>1365020
while simultanously talking about destroying homeless shelters to protect himself.
Fuck off you're as bad as he is and you're now complicit>>1365134
By anon's own logic having to join the military to support yourself is being weak. You should've been able to pull yourself up without relying on government payouts.>>1365134
>You are responsible only for yourself. You need to learn how to help yourself and should suffer the consequences if you're a retard. The government shouldn't be there to pick up the slack.>>1365128
>GI Bill
maybe you should read more up the chain instead of the last comment.>>1365134
Good post>>1365136
You'd have a point if the military wasn't a job. Where people work. Big difference between working 18 hours a day in Iraq vs. Shaniquana getting a paycheck to sit on a couch all day texting with her eight kids.
>>1365137
Maybe you should stop being retarded? The GI Bill isn't just some government handout. It's a signed contract that you have to pay into and meet conditions to get. You have to pay into it, (with your less than minimum wage pay) for two years, then complete your time without getting into trouble.
Both of you are fucking morons pushing the "HURR MILITARY = WELFARE QUEENS" meme, because neither of you know shit about it. It's very simple: I work, I get paid.>>1365142
it's a bill to give government benefits to serviceman aka GOVERNMENT benefits. you're a retard and complicit retard.>>1365142
>retard doesn't understand what the word "bill" means.
No one said military=welfare queens you fucking imbred retard. god you're fucking stupid. But you are defending middle/upper class who want to destroy the economy and homeless shelters for their benefit, so you're the same as them>>1365143
EARNED benefits, you stupid fuck. Here let me break this down a simple as I can.
>Company X has a job, I go to apply
>the company has an offer:
>If I do Y, and meet conditions A, B, and C the entire time, I get Z
>I sign the contract and do Y (while meeting conditions A,B,C). I get Z, per the contractual agreement.
>jealous faggots who can't into basic logic call this a handout>>1365144
>No one said military=welfare queens you fucking imbred retard.
No you're just making the same dogshit arguments I've heard a million times already.>>1365144
>>1365143
Furthermore, I love how both of you cocksuckers are hyper-focused on the GI Bill, ignoring every fucking thing else I posted about so you can deflect away from how both of you are libtarded faggots living in a gated suburb 500 miles away from the nearest African American, just so you can whine about how rich people exist in society and we need more money for democrat programs that make everything worse every single time.>>1365145
government backed benefits you fucking retard god you're stupid.
>>1365147
No you're the fucking retard whose defending a californian libshit whose saying government benefits is for retards and that homeless shelters should be dismantled to protect him.
Fuck you you fucking democrat shitlord.>>1365148
>government backed benefits you fucking retard
PAID INTO you fucking retard. As in my money went into it. Holy shit.
>whose saying government benefits is for retards and that homeless shelters should be dismantled
Yeah, and?
>defending a californian libshit
First time meeting a libshit that wanted less government spending.>>1365149
>less government spending on things that doesn't matter to them
sounds about right retard god you're pathetic.
>>government backed benefits you fucking retard
PAID INTO you fucking retard. As in my money went into it. Holy shit.
did going into the military give you fucking brain damage you fucking retard. bloody hell.>>1365150
>bloody hell.
Dumbass limey (or larping as a eurofag, either way too gay to take seriously) who doesn't know shit about anything, let alone how contracts work.>>1365162
dumbass american pissbaby with brain damage.>>1365166
>Dumbass eurocunt that can't refute anything I said about the GI bill because he doesn't know how it works.>>1365167
>braindamaged american retard who thinks thing with the term bill init isn't a government subsidy or program.>>1364889
Fuck off you imbecile moron.>>1365011
if they secede they will be invaded because they won't be shit militarily anymore.>shitholes full of illegals want to secede
based>>1365011
Pretty much what the southern states said of themselves before they fucked around and found out>>1365016
The funny thing about CA and electricity, it literally defines the progressive democrat strategy of lying to people about progress.
They claim to be one of the top clean energy producers, as someone who lived there they would blow their own horn about how such a large percentage of the energy they produced was clean energy.
What they never told people, was that was because they imported most of their electricity from other states (although I thought it was Arizona and Nevada)...
They shut down a few of their non-clean energy sources operating in state and then replaced it with dirty energy generated in another state, and used that to artificially inflate their own clean energy numbers because they produced now more clean energy vs unclean energy, and just let someone else produce the unclean energy>>1365205
How do you get to be this misinformed?>>1365207
In case your bot algos can't read, i lived in California you dipshit. I saw it first hand.>>1365212
Did you graduate from high school?
>>1365214
I remember when this board used to be about mainstream news.>>1365218
>Did you graduate from high school
Yes. Unlike many native Californians, I am literate, I have graduated HS and I have a graduate degree.
Just being literate is uncommon in Cali>>1365207
>>1365214
He's absolutely right and both of you are incorrect contradictory faggots.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/d
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/d
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energ
Yeah say something now you smug bitches.>>1365207
>>1365214
>>1365218
how to tell people you're a sub human democrat npc lmao.>>1364888
As a Western New Yorker I can't wait to succeed from downstate New York.>>1365282
You aren't going to be able to talk sense into these koolaid retards who have never even visited California and think it's still clean and safe like it was when republicans ruled the state.>>1364889
Which is kinda weird given that they won the presidency. They can't just be happy on their own.>>1365793
Op is happy. Democrats are visibly shaken as they try yet again to secede.>>1364906
originally both. slavery was written into the constitution. there were northern states that had slavery when the war broke out. the north was opposed to the expansion of slavery into new states. this was supposed to be resolved by the Mason Dixon line but the US reneged with the Kansas Missouri bullshit.>>1364894
wrong. It is unlawful for any state to secede from the union. Lincoln made this VERY clear and punished the traitors and that punishment continues to this day. The south has been kept in tight check since 1865 through economics to ensure those states will never be able to attempt such a treasonous act ever again.>>1364910
The Southern Democrats were the party that favored slavery. The parties did a flip after the 1860 US Civil War during the Reconstruction Era. Lincoln was a Republican president. The northern states sent "carpet baggers" into the south to try to profit from these efforts by running for local and state offices, which pissed off the locals who felt that the Federal Gov was trying to keep the South from economic freedom due to distrust of the types of candidates that held the most power in the south (ex slave owning wealthy whites)>>1365039
>subhuman bootlicking fascist.
BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ>>1365054
>Lies
No such thing as "long covid". That was just an excuse people who didn't want to go back to work used to get more unpaid sick leave.>>1365064
>More Libshit Lies.
No such thing as "covid". It was a SEASONAL FLU, stupid.>>1365067
>peer reviewed bullshit
the stats are cherry picked and not accurate. Try again. Now provide proof libshit.>>1365087
> Plenty of space for communal gardens and opportunities for urban development.
and places to drill for new oil. Fuck the environment! I want $ 1.50 a gallon gas prices!>>1365096
wrong. I tell my doctor what to do. My body, My choice.>>1365105
>>1365107
>Myocarditis and Pericarditis
only junkies get that. It's gods punishment for stupidity and degeneracy.>>1365128
how can one anon be so fucking BASED!?>>1365132
his ideology is basic Darwinism. He is BASED and (YOU) are a faggot.>>1365134
>GI Bill
that's a handout. You didn't tug on those bootstraps hard enough looks like.>>1365136
this.
>>1365142
real Vets don't brag about their service. Most refuse to admit they served openly. Me thinks your lying.>>1365148
but tearing down homeless shelters and passing harsh public safety laws are a (R) issue.
